we've got defense cuts, about there's $4 trillion, documented numbers spent to defeat our enemies, who aso is that coming. how do you cut that budget. >> maybe to corporate's point, if you accede to the president on tax hikes, then you shift the debate purely on, okay, we've given, let's focus on the spending side. >> it's dangerous. spending side means -- >> they need to compromise that's actually worthwhile. >> if you raise taxes, you lose in the republican primary, and if you cut benefits, you lose everywhere, no matter republican or democrat. everybody knows that. dic dicey. >> running for higher taxes? i mean, look, i'm not pro -- i think that frits van paasschen who has a big bet on china, he laid it out. he said we need both. i was listening to cody from honeywell, it's a dangerous position to want both tax increases and entitlement cuts. i hear very few politicians wanting to do that. >> speaking of china, by the way, mostly upbeat data out of china. 10.1% in november, strongest since march. exports rose at a weaker pace. the planned resignation of italian prime minister mario